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“Agenda 2: Masters of Deceit” blames Communists for most of America’s problems

Last updated on October 26, 2017, at 07:10 am

By Brandon Moseley
Alabama Political Reporter

Tuesday, documentary filmmaker, Curtis Bowers, held a showing of the sequel to his documentary on Communism and the rise of the American left: Agenda: Grinding America Down. This film won the $101,000 Jubilee Grand Prize at the 2010 San Antonio Independent Christian Film Festival. Agenda 2: Masters of Deceit expounds on the themes presented by Bowers in his original work. Both of his films have been widely aired in the National Movie Night project at conservative Christian churches across the country.

The new documentary film was screened at Birmingham’s Briarwood Presbyterian Church. Bowers held a question and answer session with the audience following the film. Bowers was introduced by his friend, Montgomery pastor, Tom Ford.

Bowers is a former Idaho state representative, a former restaurant owner, teacher and realtor. He has a bachelor’s degree in business from Colorado Christian University and a master’s degree from the University of Colorado.  Bowers and his wife, Lauren, live in Caldwell, Idaho. They have nine children.

Bowers serves as the narrator of the film, but his film includes contributions from conservative-thought leaders including: Ambassador Alan Keyes, author Trevor Loudon, Pavel Stroilev, Star Jackson, David McIlvaney, G. Edward Griffin, Lt. Gen. William G. “Jerry” Boykin, Carol Swain, Dr. James Waliss and more.

Bowers said that the changes that are happening in the country are, “going to be a nightmare for our children.”  Bowers said that he began years ago with the question: “Is the changes that took place in America accidental or purposeful?” Through his years of research, he came to the conclusion that no, it was the work of, “Evil wicked people over a course of 100 years.” What was just a handful of radicals in the 1920s has grown over the decades until, “They are in the majority now and our children are on their side. Why because we let them raise our children.”

Early in the documentary, an anti-Castro Cuban warned of the Communists: “They will come and get you. They will take your arms they will take everything and you will just be a pawn of the state.”

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Bowers said, “The left wants you to believe that catastrophe is always right around the corner,” and can be only prevented by giving more power and control to the state.

Jim Simpson said that America has been the big stumbling block of Communism from the very beginning.

Bowers said that as he traveled the nation on his first film tour, “The people that I spoke to thought they were under attack from a hundred different places with a hundred different agendas. I explained that is not the case.” Bowers blames a communist, socialist agenda for most problems. He said that socialism is being taught in every school in America. Children today don’t know the most fundamental things about this country. “God established three institutions: the family, the Church, and the state.” America’s greatness is that we followed God’s plan. The Communist Manifesto is to destroy the family, the Church and the state.

Lt. Gen. Boykin said that the left have gone after the next generation.

Bowers warned that the schools are so far gone that the best outcome would be to tear down the public education system and let the money follow the child to the school, including homeschool, where the parents choose to send their children. Bowers and his wife, Lauren, homeschool their children.

“The end of all collectivism schemes is a government that takes care of the citizens from the cradle to the grave. That is Marxism,” Bowers said.

Bowers details a very complex master conspiracy that includes the old Soviet Union and the America left. In the film, he goes from topic to topic describing how he believes America’s institutions were infiltrated by progressives/communists: the public schools, liberal seminarians, the federal reserve and the weakening of the currency, the rise of militant Islam, common core, radical environmentalism, etc.

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“We like to think Stalin and Lenin are bad people,” Bowers argues that they were really ordinary people with exceptionally bad ideas.

Trevor Loudon warned that when the USSR fell, the KGB was left in place, and now it is stronger than ever before and that Russian President Vladimir Putin hopes to restore the Soviet Empire.

Bowers warned that, “As Obamacare collapses, as it was designed to do, they will step up and present a government solution once people are tired of high premiums and deductibles.” He dismissed population concerns saying that the whole population of the world could fit in Texas.

“The left will support anyone who will fight their main two enemies: Christianity and freedom.”

Masters of Deceit is a 1958 book written by legendary FBI director, J. Edgar Hoover. The book was very inspiring for Bowers’ parents.

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Brandon Moseley is a former reporter at the Alabama Political Reporter.

Sours: https://www.alreporter.com/2017/10/23/agenda-2-masters-of-deceit-blames-communists-for-most-of-americas-problems/

Curtis Bowers

Curtis Bowers is an American filmmaker, former educator, restaurant owner and politician from Idaho. Curtis is a former Republican member of Idaho House of Representatives.

Education

Bowers earned a Bachelor of Arts degree in Business from Colorado Christian University. Bowers earned a Master of Arts degree in Curriculum and Instruction from University of Colorado.

Career

Bowers was a private school teacher and a public school tutor.

In 1995, Bowers opened his first restaurant in Colorado. Bowers owned two other restaurants in Nampa, Idaho and Boise, Idaho.

In 2007, Bowers was appointed by Idaho governor Butch Otter as a Republican member of Idaho House of Representatives for District 10, seat A.

Bowers became a filmmaker. Bowers is known for the documentary Agenda:Grinding America Down.

Personal life

Bowers' wife is Lauren Bowers. They have nine children. Bowers and his family live in Idaho.

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Talk:Communism and LGBT rights

Terminology[edit]

Homosexuality is not something people do. It's the state of being a homosexual person. What homosexuals do is engage in homosexual activity, and that's what's been criminalised in some jurisdictions. We're trying to suggest here that homosexuality itself has been the subject of various laws in various countries, which is an absurd proposition. That would be like laws banning people from liking certain types of music - as distinct from banning them from actually performing that music in public or wherever. We have to fix the terminology. -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 20:27, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[]

Ridiculous though it may be, being homosexual is precisely what anti-homosexual oppression has tried to put a stop to. Gassing them to death was not the Nazis trying merely to get them to stop engaging in homosexual activity.
Nuttyskin (talk) 14:48, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[]

Association of Homosexuality with Communism by an Anti-Communist Who Attended a National Meeting of Communists[edit]

I would like to add the following association to the section because the cited newspaper is a reliable source of this association, which is also notable:

In 2008, a then Idaho state representative, Curtis Bowers, wrote an editorial in which he reported that homosexuality had been given as a means to "take America down" at a 1992 meeting at the University of California, Berkeley, of communists he had attended. He noted that they had planned to use the homosexual movement to undermine religion and morality to destroy America's culture.[1]

It is notable because the association was reported in other articles. [2][3]Perusteltu (talk) 06:58, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[]

These are all extremely local papers, only one of which is truly a secondary source in any way, reporting on or reprinting a piece by a local whackjob who claims he went to a Communist meeting where he claims they plotted to spread homosexuality and take over America. The amount of hedging you'd need to do in order to properly contextualize this in the article would make it way undue. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 18:35, 12 February 2014 (UTC)[]
Thank you for your feedback, Roscelese. Please understand that the section Association_of_communism_with_homosexuality_by_anti-communists does not necessarily need to verify what a person is claiming, but only needs to verify that a person has made a claim and that the claim is notable. Since you and I agree that the former state representative made the claim, let's discuss whether the claim is notable. It is notable because it sparked a protest.[4][5][6] Another notable aspect of the association is that the claim has been referred to in venues outside of its original geographical area.[7][8]Perusteltu (talk) 06:30, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[]
The first additional source is a press release. The second is another painfully local piece that is WP:ROUTINE coverage of the whackjob's talk at a café. Compare the sources already in the article for the claim by anti-communists that communism is super gay: books, scholarly journals. The writing also does not attempt to claim that the statement is true, only that these public figures notably claimed it. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 01:55, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[]
Roscelese, thank you again for your feedback. I apologize for asking to discuss whether the claim is notable. The main article of the section WP:ROUTINE seems to imply that notability in Wikipedia applies to articles, but not necessarily to individual paragraphs within the article. The guideline says, "Within Wikipedia, notability is a test used by editors to decide whether a topic can have its own article. The topic of an article should be notable...." Thus, we should instead be discussing whether the proposed paragraph satisfies the Wikipedia:Core content policies: "neutral point of view, verifiability, and no original research."
Per your feedback, Roscelese, I am adding the words he claimed to the proposed paragraph below. How else should we improve it?
In 2008, a then Idaho state representative, Curtis Bowers, wrote an editorial in which he reported that homosexuality had been given as a means to "take America down" at a 1992 meeting at the University of California, Berkeley, of communists he claimed he had attended. He noted that they had planned to use the homosexual movement to undermine religion and morality to destroy America's culture.[9][10][11][12][13][14]Perusteltu (talk) 06:22, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[]
NPOV, as you may or may not know, includes DUE weight. As I've pointed out already, the sourcing is probably too poor to include this at all, and certainly too poor to include it with all the hedging that would be necessary in order to convey that this claim is not credible. There is no reason whatsoever to include it. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 19:03, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[]
Roscelese, thank you again for the feedback. Please realize that if a secondary source confirms the claim that at the 1992 national meeting of communists homosexuality was presented as a tactic to weaken America, then that claim would be in a separate article with a title such as "Communist Strategies to Weaken America." Thus, although the claim is reasonable and consistent with other claims, you and I should not be discussing whether the claim is verifiable on this talk page. What we should be discussing here is whether or not an anti-communist has made the reasonable claim and how to describe that fact neutrally. Do you think that the proposed paragraph satisfies NPOV? If not, what improvements do you suggest? 05:59, 24 February 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Perusteltu (talk • contribs)
You are not reading what I've already written. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 23:53, 24 February 2014 (UTC)[]
Roscelese, thank you again for your feedback. Let me paraphrase the objections you have made:
  1. The proposed paragraph is not referenced with a source that verifies the claim.
  2. The claim was covered by media outlets in one geographic area.
Objections 1 and 2 are not valid for the reasons stated above and here: If the claim were verified, then the claim would not merely be an association made by an anti-communist, but it would be a documented strategy. Whether or not the claim is valid is moot for the section Association_of_communism_with_homosexuality_by_anti-communists. This section is describing claims, not their validity. Since it seems that notability pertains only to articles and not to paragraphs, Objection 2 is also moot. What do you think that I am not understanding about your objections? Thank you, Perusteltu (talk) 06:30, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[]

I'm sorry, but here's what happened: A crazy elected guy said something crazy. A bunch of cynical local reporters wrote articles making fun of the crazy elected guy in that underhanded way that reporters have. A few overly-earnest lefties had a protest about what the crazy guy said. More fun was made of everyone, no longer so covertly. 17 people signed a petition asking for the crazy elected guy to resign. The story faded away in 2008, more than 6 years ago. If this all was anything more than silly season stuff it would have been covered in real sources by now. Until that happens I don't believe it's possible to make a policy-based case for including anything about this in this article, which, hodge-podge that it is, seems to be about something moderately real.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 21:45, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[]

Hi Alf, you seem to be confused about this section. The purpose this section is not to establish whether a claim is true, but that a claim has been made. Therefore, your ad hominem merely undermines your appearance of good faith. Instead of calling the source names, let's examine whether or not the proposed paragraph satisfies Wikipedia's core content policies:
# Verifiability
# No original research
# Neutral point of view (NPOV).
Roscelese's stated opinion in that inclusion would violate NPOV. However, the proposed paragraph achieves, or at least approximates, NPOV. Consider the requirements for NPOV:
  • Avoid stating opinions as facts. The proposed paragraph does not state Bowers' opinion as fact. It says that he claimed....
  • Avoid stating seriously contested assertions as facts. The proposed paragraph says that Bowers reported that.... It does not say in Wikipedia's voice that homosexuality was given as a tactic to weaken America.
  • Prefer nonjudgmental language. If anything, the paragraph leans toward being judgmental against Bowers because the quotes around "take America down" could be interpreted as scare quotes.
  • Indicate the relative prominence of opposing views. No one is claiming that Bowers did not make the claim. This section is a list of claims. Is it not? Thus, why should not this claim be added to the claim list? Perusteltu (talk) 23:07, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[]
WP:UNDUE, obviously. I'm sorry that that wasn't clear to you from what I said. I will make sure to be super-explicit. Your proposed edit violates WP:UNDUE, which is a part of WP:NPOV, because it describes a trivial remark made in a trivial context and was only the subject of trivial reporting. You see what I mean?— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 23:16, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[]
Thank you for the clarification of your objection. Your objection would be valid if you were objecting to the association's WP:NOTABILITY given the two citations. However, notability does not seem to apply to paragraphs, but to entire articles. Therefore, if I prove that the claim is notable, then it could be a candidate for its own article. Perusteltu (talk) 00:05, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[]
I understand your words, but not your sentences. You're wrong. Given that you have 29 total edits to article space, the chances that you understand what you're talking about are pretty small. Perhaps you might try to understand what others who have more experience are telling you rather than repetitiously promoting exceedingly idiosyncratic views of policy. Or maybe you might not, I don't know. But unless someone in the world publishes some stuff about this guy's remark in 2008 that lends it any kind of weight at all, there's no reason to mention it. Contemporaneous newspaper stories making fun of the guy and reporting on minuscule protests against the guy are not enough coverage to justify including his views at all.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 01:32, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[]
I think somebody's spitting in your soup. MastCellTalk 19:05, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[]
Thanks, that's a new one for me (the essay, not the phenomenon). Good lord.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 03:00, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[]

Arbitrary break[edit]

MastCell is wrong. "[T]he aim of WP:SOUP is to win not by rational argument, but by making the discussion so labyrinthine that other participants are exhausted/bored to the point of giving up." My argument is purely rational. 1. The purpose of this section is document associations. 2. The documentation method seems to be a list. 3. If it is list, then notability of each association is not required. Perusteltu (talk) 03:37, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[]
It's possible to make rational arguments without having the purpose of winning by rational arguments. Just like it's possible to hit something with a hammer repeatedly without having the purpose of driving a nail.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 03:50, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[]
If you disagree with premise 2, then what do you think the documentation method of this section is? Perusteltu (talk) 03:57, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[]
That's a category error. "List" is not a "documentation method."— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 04:22, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[]
You are correct. A documentation method is "listing." A document contains a list if the documentation method includes listing. Is that what you mean? Perusteltu (talk) 04:29, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[]
Your lips are moving, but the words aren't clear.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 04:31, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[]
Suppose you were asked to document the Seven Seas. One method you could use is to list each sea. Your document would then contain a list: 1. Atlantic, 2. Pacific, etc. Perusteltu (talk) 04:39, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[]

Nope, I still don't get it. Sorry to be dense. I do wonder, though, how did you decide that there were seven instead of eleventy-zillion?— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 04:44, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[]

I appreciate your point about how to decide what is included in a list. A lister should use standard definitions. For this section, if is a list, then we should use the standard definition of "association." If this section is not a list, then what is it? Perusteltu (talk) 05:02, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[]
It's super-hard to understand what you mean. The third sentence you wrote makes no sense to me at all. Your fourth sentence I think I understand. It's not a list. It's a little explanation of the subject delineated by the section heading, which should be written in prose to explain what it's all about.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 05:06, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[]
Sorry about the third sentence. I replaced a pronoun in a failed attempt to make it clearer.
To analyze this section, let's abstract it into this list:
  1. Sen. Joseph McCarthy associated homosexuality with Communism.
  2. Sen. Kenneth Wherry associated homosexuality with anti-nationalism.
  3. The Mattachine Society has been associated with Communism.
The section essentially lists associations. Therefore, editors should not invoke UNDUE about whether to add to the list. Editors should invoke UNDUE about views about associations. For example, the section includes only one view about an association, which happens to be uncited: "Some historians have argued that, in linking communism to homosexuality, McCarthy was playing off of prevalent anxieties about sexuality in order to gain support for his anti-communist campaign." Perusteltu (talk) 05:41, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[]
If you rewrite your comments after people have commented on them it makes it impossible to follow the conversation. See WP:REDACT and maybe learn to use for corrections. Anyway, you have the most novel wrong theory about undue weight I've ever seen. Should we list every person who's ever associated communism and homosexuality in the context of anticommunism? That's actually your position? Every single one?— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 12:29, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[]
@Alf.laylah.wa.laylah: Thank you for the direction about what I should do if I rewrite a comment. To answer your question about what we should include in a list, the policy Wikipedia:Notability#Stand-alone_lists states that every non-notable member of a notable set is eligible. Therefore, every single non-notable association of communism with homosexuality by an anti-communist may be listed. WP:UNDUE must not prevent an editor from adding an item to the list. WP:UNDUE may prevent an editor from adding a view about the list.
For example, an editor might have given the following uncited view about the list undue weight: "Some historians have argued that, in linking communism to homosexuality, McCarthy was playing off of prevalent anxieties about sexuality in order to gain support for his anti-communist campaign." What have others argued? Perhaps they have argued that McCarthy linked communism to homosexuality because he thought that communists were using homosexuality to undermine Americans' health. If this latter view is in the extreme minority, then WP:UNDUE says that the latter view should not be added to this section. Likewise, if the former view is in the extreme minority, then WP:UNDUE says that the former view should not be in this section. WP:UNDUE does not say anything about whether McCarthy's association itself should be in this article.
Therefore, WP:UNDUE allows an editor to add Skousen's and Bowers' associations.
Alf, it seems that you would like for each listed item to be notable. Even though notability is required only for articles, Skousen's association is notable. His association is in the Congressional Record. His gained the attention of an elected official. Also, Bowers' association is notable. His association prompted him to make an award-winning film, in which he also happens to cite Skousen's association.[15]Perusteltu (talk) 03:17, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[]
Fascinating. But there's no list involved here, so WP:LISTN is irrelevant. I can't follow the logic, if there is any, in the rest of what you say.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 04:16, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[]
WP:LISTN is relevant because it helps editors understand . The prose in this section describes associations. The prose states three associations. About one association, the prose states a view. WP:UNDUE cannot apply to the three associations. Otherwise, WP:UNDUE would be enforcing a notability guideline. Let me restate the logic here:
1.
2. WP:UNDUE applies to content in a manner consistent with Premiss 1.
3. Assume that WP:UNDUE requires all content to be important (i.e., notable).
4. Thus, Assumption 3 contradicts Premiss 1.
5. Thus, Assumption 3 contradicts Premiss 2.
6. Hence, WP:UNDUE does not require all content to be important.
By 6, we know that WP:UNDUE does not require all content to be important. Thus, we ask, What content does not need to be important? Here is where WP:LISTN helps us. Non-important content is permitted to be content that is isomorphic to a list. What does that mean? It means that if an editor re-wrote the prose as a list, then all content that the editor chose to be list items may be non-important. Let me restate the logic here:
6. WP:UNDUE does not require all content to be important.
7. Some prose can be re-written as a list.
8. Lists have list items.
9. WP:LISTN allows non-important list items.
10. Thus, concepts in the prose that became list items are not required by WP:UNDUE to be important.
Which, if any, of the logical steps above do you not follow?
Now, it is clear that if this section's prose and proposed prose were re-written as a list, the list items would be these items:
A. Sen. Joseph McCarthy associated homosexuality with Communism.
B. Sen. Kenneth Wherry associated homosexuality with anti-nationalism.
C. The Mattachine Society has been associated with Communism. (This item is questionable because it is unknown whether the association was made by an anti-communist.)
D. Former FBI Agent and Police Chief Skousen associated homosexuality with Communism.
E. Former Representative Curtis Bowers associated homosexuality with Communism.
Thus, by Conclusion 10, WP:UNDUE allows an editor to add Skousen's and Bowers' to the prose.
What logical error, if any, exists above?
To be extra-cautious, for the sake of argument, let's ignore . Let's pretend that all content must be important (i.e, notable). Skousen's association is notable because it is referenced in the Congressional Record and continues to be referenced. For example, it is referenced in an award-winning documentary. Skousen's list, "45 communist goals," which contains the association, generates over 20,000 results in a web search. Do you agree that Skousen's association is notable? Perusteltu (talk) 05:53, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[]
OK, but it's not a list. Why don't you start a new article that is a list? Your arguments work just fine in that scenario. You could call it List of Associations of Communism and Homosexuality by Anti-Communists. If you want to turn a nonlist section of an article into a list, you should gain consensus for that change before making tortured arguments about how list guidelines apply to non-list article sections.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 15:12, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[]

Reflist-talk[edit]

References

  1. ^Bowers Association_of_communism_with_homosexuality_by_anti-communists, Curtis (Posted: Monday, January 14, 2008 12:00 am), "Communist agenda makes its way to our mainstream", Idaho Press-Tribune, archived from the original on January 18, 2014CS1 maint: date and year (link)
  2. ^"The Commies are Coming!", Boise Weekly, Posted: Thu, Jan 10, 2008 at 4:00 AMCS1 maint: date and year (link)
  3. ^Butts, Mike (Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2008 12:00 am), "Protesters: [Allegedly] Anti-gay column is 'hate speech'", Idaho Press-TribuneCS1 maint: date and year (link)
  4. ^http://voices.idahostatesman.com/2008/01/16/krichert/curtis_bowers_the_saga_continues
  5. ^http://www.idahopress.com/news/article_1b9173bb-89b8-506a-b02e-57ae645777d7.html
  6. ^http://www.idahopress.com/news/article_01fedfee-c6e6-529e-8184-bd612af2061b.html
  7. ^http://www.fairfieldsuntimes.com/articles/2014/02/05/news/doc52f268785ed48440348952.txt
  8. ^http://www.ashevilledailyplanet.com/news/2708-leftists-taking-us-on-totalitarian-path-filmmaker-charges
  9. ^Bowers, Curtis (Posted: Monday, January 14, 2008 12:00 am), "Communist agenda makes its way to our mainstream", Idaho Press-Tribune, archived from the original on January 18, 2014CS1 maint: date and year (link)
  10. ^"The Commies are Coming!", Boise Weekly, Posted: Thu, Jan 10, 2008 at 4:00 AMCS1 maint: date and year (link)
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  15. ^Bowers, Curtis (Director, Writer) (2010). Agenda, Grinding America Down [1] (Documentary). United States: Black Hat Films in association with Copybook Productions LLC.

The Naked Communist[edit]

I removed this:

The 1958 book ''[[The Naked Communist]]'' by conservative United States author and [[faith-based]] political theorist [[Cleon Skousen]] states that a [[Communist]] goal has been to "[p]resent homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as ‘normal, natural, and healthy'" for this end: “soften America for the final takeover.”<ref> {{Cite book | last = Skousen | first = W Cleon | title = The Naked Communist | origyear = 1958 | url = http://books.google.com/books?id=qeLNHGleHQ4C | edition = | year = 2007 | publisher = C&J Investments | language = English | pages = 161-2 }}</ref>{{Primary source-inline|date=January 2014}}

As I'm unable to find reliable secondary sources that assert that this book is important in relation to communism and homosexuality. All the discussion of the book I can find seems to ignore whatever he says about homosexuality. He wrote an essay about "How to raise boys" or some such thing that was quite anti-homosexual, but not so much about communism in there. Anyway, without some reason to think this book's theories on homosexuality are important I don't think we need it. Plus "faith-based political theorist" seems unfixable.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 23:42, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[]

I added a secondary reliable source. Perusteltu (talk) 00:31, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[]
After I added a secondary reliable source, someone reversed it saying that I need to get consensus first. However, you asked for a reliable secondary source. It had reliable secondary source when it was reversed. Thus, was not the version with consensus reversed? Perusteltu (talk) 01:12, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[]
@Perusteltu: You should add your RS here, with the suggested edit. The request for consensus was in edit summaries here and others. Consensus is needed for your source. You might WP:PING the requesters to bring them into the discussion. Jim1138 (talk) 01:19, 11 March 2014 (UTC) @Jim1138: Thank you for the clarification. Please note that request of consensus was for a different paragraph. However, thank you for the general help. Perusteltu (talk) 02:03, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[]
‎Perusteltu, the Congressional Record is not a reliable source. Any member of Congress can read anything whatsoever they want into the Congressional Record. Secondly, we need to establish that Skousen's theories about communism and homosexuality had some kind of impact in the world. The way we do that is by finding a reliable source, independent of the subject, that discusses Skousen's theories about communism and homosexuality. I couldn't find one, but that doesn't mean there isn't one. Perhaps you'll come up with one, or maybe someone else will, but it's really necessary to have one or more before we put the material in.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 01:37, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[]
@Alf.laylah.wa.laylah: the Congressional Record is a reliable source of the fact that Skousen wrote a book that contains an association of Communism with homosexuality. There is no question that Skousen made the association. When you asked for the secondary source, is that not what you wanted to verify, that Skosen made the association?
Your second point seems to address the question of WP:NOTABILITY. Because the policy on notability has the word article in italics, the policy seems to apply only to articles, not to an individual paragraph in the article. Am I not correct? Perusteltu (talk) 02:03, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[]
The book is obviously a source for its own existence and subject matter. It's not a source for its relevance to anything. There may be thousands of books that associate communism with homosexuality. Their mere existence is not an argument for mentioning them here. In order to be included they must represent a significant point of view. The way we judge the significance of a point of view is by seeing that it's discussed by reliable sources that are independent of the work itself. The CR is not such a source. We are not talking about notability, we are talking about undue weight.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 02:08, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[]
@Alf.laylah.wa.laylah: Undue weight has to do with this question, What are the majority view and the minority view in this case? The majority view is that Skousen made the association. The minority view is that he did not. Perusteltu (talk) 02:20, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[]
We've got a WP:COMPETENCE problem here. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 03:08, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[]
The majority view is that Skousen's views on homosexuality and communism are completely and utterly irrelevant. The minority view is that they're only mostly irrelevant. The majority view, as evinced by the fact that no one in the world seems to care enough about Skousen's views on homosexuality and communism to talk about them at all, is that his views don't matter. In fact, they don't matter so much that there are no reliable independent sources that even discuss them. We should therefore give due weight to the unanimous view of secondary sources that Skousen's views aren't worth talking about by reflecting that silence in our article.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 03:56, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[]
The problem is that I, Alf, and Roscelese are interpreting the purpose the section Association_of_communism_with_homosexuality_by_anti-communists differently from each other. I am interpreting it as a list of associations. It seems that you and Alf are interpreting this section as Communist Strategies to Undermine America.
If "Communist Strategies to Undermine America" were the title of this section, then your UNDUE-objection might apply. The majority view might be that homosexuality is not part of a communist strategy. If that were the majority view, then, as the UNDUE policy states, secondary sources would be needed to establish significance of that view and the minority views. (The fact Skousen's view is part of the Congressional Record is arguably significant.)
However, since the title of this section is Association_of_communism_with_homosexuality_by_anti-communists, then it is a list of associations of communism with homosexuality by anti-communists. Thus, if there were one thousand books written by one thousand anti-communists, each would qualify for the list. That huge body of work would be notable.
Which interpretation is correct and why? Perusteltu (talk) 04:05, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[]
No, the problem is that you don't understand WP:UNDUE if you think there's anything plausible about this claim: Thus, if there were one thousand books written by one thousand anti-communists, each would qualify for the list. The other problem is that you don't understand WP:RS if you think there's anything plausible about this claim: The fact Skousen's view is part of the Congressional Record is arguably significant.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 04:15, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[]
The fact that you invoked WP:RS implies that you are interpreting this section as "Communist Strategies to Undermine America." You're interpretation could be correct. Please explain why? Currently, I think that your interpretation is incorrect because this section seems to be designed to be a list of claims. A claim, whether true or not, that is mentioned in the Congressional Record is in fact notable. But for lists, notability is not required; the Wikipedia:Notability#Stand-alone_lists policy states: "Because the group or set is notable, the individual items in the list do not need to be independently notable...." Perusteltu (talk) 04:34, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[]

What part of "stand-alone" do you not understand?— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 04:40, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[]

If a stand-alone list does not require that each of its items is notable, then an embedded list or section-level list does not either. Section-level lists are less significant than stand-alone article-level lists. Perusteltu (talk) 04:48, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[]
Why?— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 04:57, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[]
If a section-level list were as significant as article-level lists, then it could be argued that the section-level list should be its own article. Perusteltu (talk) 05:02, 11 March 2014 (UTC) (I am taking a break from Wikipedia for today. It's been good collaborating with you.)[]
Why shouldn't it be?— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 05:03, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[]

Arbitrary break[edit]

@Alf.laylah.wa.laylah: Now that we both have had some time to think about the purpose of this section, let's revisit this question: What is the purpose of this section? Perusteltu (talk) 02:48, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[]
OK, you start, since you obviously have an answer in mind.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 03:01, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[]
I think that its purpose is to document associations. Perusteltu (talk) 03:06, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[]
Hard to argue with that.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 03:50, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[]
Since you agree with premise 1, let's discuss premise 2: The documentation method of this section is a list or, at least, list-like. Do you agree with premise 2? If not, why not? Perusteltu (talk) 04:23, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[]
Neither "list" nor "list-like" are "documentation method[s]." Thus I have no idea what you're talking about.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 04:26, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[]

Was Wherry a demagogue?[edit]

Wherry says: "You can't hardly separate homosexuals from subversives." A demagogue "is a political leader in a democracy who appeals to the emotions, fears, prejudices, and ignorance of the lower classes in order to gain power and promote political motives." I don't think it's off the mark to call Wherry's statement demagoguery. On the other hand, I'm not sure why Wherry's even in this section, since he's not especially well-known for this idiocy.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 12:29, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[]

Current status[edit]

first sentence in Communism_and_homosexuality#Current_status needs work.

None of the four self-identified socialist states as of 2013 recognized same-sex marriages, civil unions, or registered partnerships.

i'm assuming that the four states are these 4 here, but the source for this information is a slide show from about.com. ≈Sensorsweep (talk) 02:52, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[]

I've removed the section, I think it would be much better to put this information under "Status by country", with more reliable sources. – Zumoarirodoka(talk) 19:57, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[]

Renaming article?[edit]

Shouldn't renaming this article "Communism and LGBT rights" (or something similar) be more appropriate? Because the article (even before I edited it) was going to-and-fro with references to homosexuality and LGBT rights, and these two are not the same thing. – Zumoarirodoka(talk) 19:57, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[]

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Stalin's motives[edit]

I'm by no means a Stalinist, and I hope I don't come across as an apologist.

But thing is, I knew a very well read Marxist scholar who told me about homophobia in Stalin's USSR, and how he was actually reluctant to criminalise homosexuality and caved to public pressure. Mostly due to how a lot of sectors of the public were Tsarist generation Bolsheviks with poor education and strong religious values.

I have no research, or reliable sources. This is mostly a small proposal to someone who does have the means of research, to perhaps look into this for the sake of objectivity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.227.83.117 (talk) 17:58, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[]

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“Exterminate all homosexuals and fascism will vanish.” Quote attributed to Gorky[edit]

You will find this quote in the newspaper Pravda, 1934, number 140 on May 23rd in an article written by Gorky, but he calls it a “sarcastic saying.” I wish somebody who understands Russian better could go in and find out what exactly he is trying to say, but the page currently implies that Gorky called for the extermination of homosexuals, which is a complete misrepresentation. I have removed the quote for now. Jazznuts1 (talk) 21:13, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[]

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    Bowers Family

    Number of Grandchildren

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    Parents

    Curtis and Lauren Bowers

    Children

    Carolina Bontrager, Cassidy Bontrager, Charlie Bowers, Carver Bowers, Christian Bowers, Crockett Bowers, Chapman Bowers, Campbell Bowers, Crosby Bowers

    Grandchildren

    Jubilee Bontrager, Wallace Bontrager, Winston Bontrager, Jemina Bontrager

    The Bowers family has 9 children and 4 grandchildren from parents Curtis and Lauren Bowers.

    Family

    • Curtis James Bowers - born on October 13, 1965[1]
    • Lauren A. McAlvany - born on July 6, 1971

    Anniversary: 1989

    Name Date of Birth Notes
    1 Carolina "Lina" Katherine BontragerApril 2, 1995[2][3]married to Carson Bontrager with two children
    2 Cassidy "Cass" Grace BontragerJuly 2, 1997 [4]married to Joshua Bontrager with two children
    3 Charles Curtis Bowers March 27, 1999[5]
    4 Carver James Bowers October 23, 2001[6]
    5 Christian Ruhlman Bowers 2004
    6 Crockett Henry Bowers November 15, 2005 [7]
    7 Chapman "Frank" York Bowers 2008
    8 Campbell "Butter" Barret Bowers 2009[8]
    9 Crosby "Gini" Virginia Bowers 2010
    Columbus Shackleton Bowers March 2, 2012 [9]miscarriage
    Courage Wilberforce Bowers February 1, 2013 [10]miscarriage

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    Carson Wayne Bontrager - born on November 5, 1995[11]

    Anniversary: September 1, 2017[12]

    Name Date of Birth
    1 Jubilee Katherine Bontrager July 15th, 2018[13]
    2 Jemima Virtue Bontrager August 27, 2020[14]

    Cassidy's Family

    Joshua Maxwell Bontrager - born on March 24, 1997[15] 

    Anniversary: September 1, 2017[12]

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    1 Wallace Bradford Bontrager July 16, 2018[16]
    2 Winston Bontrager April 22, 2020[17]

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    The Bowers family is currently touring full time[18] with their award-winning films: Agenda: Grinding America Down, and Agenda 2: Masters of Deceit.[19]

    Family Bio:(as of spring 2016)

    The Bowers Family has been operating home-based businesses for over 25 years. From screen-printing, vending machines and fondue restaurants to real estate development, pastured poultry, alfalfa farming, and a Christian bookstore, they have loved the blessings of working together. In 2007 Curtis was appointed by the Governor to the Idaho Legislature, and in 2010, the Bowers produced the film Agenda: Grinding America Down, which won the "Jubilee Award" ($101,000,00)[20] at the SAICFF. They have since traveled to over 45 states and Europe, singing and speaking to promote it. Curtis and his wife of 28 years, Lauren, have been blessed with 9 wonderful children (ages 6-22). They are currently touring full time with their new (2016) film Agenda 2: Masters of Deceit, which recently won “Best Documentary” at the CWVFF[21]. The Bowers family continues to operate the independent film and distribution company Copybook Heading Productions.[22]

    Missionary Work

    In July 2017, 6 members of the Bowers family went on a twelve-day mission trip to Germany, Hungary, and Romania[23] where they hosted a youth camp for young adults.

    While in Romania, much of their free time was spent repairing clay roofs from extreme hail damage that fell just 12 hours before they entered the country.

    In 2014,the three oldest Bower children (Carolina, Cassidy, and Charlie) after hearing about "The Great Commission Course" in Cape Town, South Africa, ventured to the destination to do things like, "smuggling Bibles through a military helicopter base with African guards searching earnestly for you with flashlights and AR-15s, at 2:30 am", to "preaching the gospel to passing lost souls on the village streets."

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    Curtis Bowers

    American filmmaker, educator, restaurant owner, and politician from Idaho

    Curtis Bowers is an American filmmaker, former educator, restaurant owner and politician from Idaho. Curtis is a former Republican member of Idaho House of Representatives.

    Education[edit]

    Bowers earned a Bachelor of Arts degree in Business from Colorado Christian University. Bowers earned a Master of Arts degree in Curriculum and Instruction from University of Colorado.[1]

    Career[edit]

    Bowers was a private school teacher and a public school tutor.[2]

    In 1995, Bowers opened his first restaurant in Colorado. Bowers owned two other restaurants in Nampa, Idaho and Boise, Idaho.[2]

    In 2007, Bowers was appointed by Idaho governor Butch Otter as a Republican member of Idaho House of Representatives for District 10, seat A.[1][2][3]

    Bowers became a filmmaker. Bowers is known for the documentary Agenda:Grinding America Down.[4][3]

    Filmography[edit]

    • 2010 Agenda: Grinding America Down - as director, writer.[5]
    • 2016 Agenda 2: Masters of Deceit - as director, writer.

    Personal life[edit]

    Bowers' wife is Lauren Bowers. They have nine children. Bowers and his family live in Idaho.[1][3]

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