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Burton Step On Binding 2021 - 2018 Review by The Good Ride

Burton Step On Snowboard Video Review Fast Forward Markers. 0:00 – Intro 0:27 – How They Were Tested 1:17 – Summary 2:02 – Weight 2:08 – Highback Flex 2:40 – Flex Underfoot/Buttering 3:49 – Turn Initiation/Response 5:02 – Shock Absorption 5:31- Boot Support 7:33 – Boot To Binding Adjustability 9:16 – Stance Width Adjustability 10:17 – Conclusion 11:17 – About Our Reviews

The Burton Step On Binding needs a Burton compatible boot and has less boot to binding adjustability but its super easy on/off and is really responsive. It is far from being perfect but its the first time we found a quick release binding to improve response.

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Days: 4
Riders: James (Size 9, 5’10” 185-195lbs), Peter (Size 8, 5’11” 185lbs), Grant (Size 11 6’ 160lbs)
Boots: Burton Ruler Step On and Burton Ion Step On, Burton Photon Step On
Boards: Yes Ghost, Burton Hometown Hero, Union Orbit, Burton Stun Gun, Burton Trick Pilot, and Burton Speed Date.

How This Review Happened:  We used our precious Good Ride earnings to buy this due to overwhelming review requests. We borrowed this for a full day at the demos twice and then rode it for a full day thanks to Gravity Sports at Mt. Bachelor.

Approximate Weight

Pretty light at 1.8 lbs per binding with screws on. The Step On boots you have to pair up with are a little heavier than the regular versions so overall its a pretty middle ground overall weight.

Highback Flex

There is not much twist in the Burton Step On Bindings high back but its got a little more give than the Step On X. However, being literally locked into the center of it makes you feel the twist less than you normally would.

Binding to Boot Adjustability

One of the weaknesses of the Burton Step On Binding. There just isn’t much going on to center your boot in the binding. If you are closer to the in between sizes moving the disc screws towards the heel or toe edge a few millimetres each way isn’t ideal. Unlike the old Re:Flex discs the new ones only have 2 positions instead of 3 so its even worse than before.

Stance Width Adjustability

If you set the Burton Step On Bindings up with a Burton Channel System board the stance width adjustability is infinite. If you put these on normal inserts you have none. Re:Flex discs won’t turn sideways and slide tip to tail like most  regular and mini-discs can.

Boot Support

So being locked into the highback makes for a pretty locked in feel that has a lot of support. We suggest paring up the Burton Step On Binding with the Photon Step On or Ion Step On Boots though because we do like the added ankle support. With the Ruler Step On, that has none, we felt it start to fold a little bit more than we would like. It also felt like the front part of the Ruler would flex too much forward and the back wouldn’t move which is pretty weird compared to traditional boots/bindings.

Ratchet System

Here is where we talk about the easy on and off and why this binding has soo much appeal. No ratchets. You just step in, they click in place and then go. When you get to the bottom of the run you flip a lever and step out. It is faster than any step on we have tried. It’s easier than being on ski’s. On top of that you don’t have the pain of ultra hard, sized down ski boots. It can get weird with snow loading up on the foot bed but you just need to manage it. Stepping forward also feels weird as most don’t step forward when they unstrap. They usually go out somewhat sideways and then step back. It is weird to get used to this.

Turn Initiation/Response

Usually with quick release bindings you are trading response for this feature. With the Burton Step On Bindings you are getting more. Having the boot locked in to the highback seems to really up the response. There is still that smooth initiation you feel with all Burton Re:Flex bindings but it just accelerates as you lean into a turn. We haven’t done A vs. B testing with other super responsive bindings but it feels incredibly fast. Even with the least expensive Burton Rulers on. It is a great binding for those that like quick turn initiation and carving.

Flex Under Foot/Buttering

What makes the Burton Step On Binding so responsive also makes it not as easy to butter. The flex under foot is there with the Re:Flex tech that flexes down the middle of the binding. It is just not as easy to access when your boot is stuck to the high back. It for sure takes some getting used to. Normally under the sway bar of the binding there is soft EVA foam but with the Step On you have plastic. It is probably trying to help compensate for no toe strap or ankle strap and give more response there. It does make it less buttery though.

Shock Absorption/Dampness

There is a really cush ride wtih the Burton Step On Binding. Other than the plastic plate on the bottom of the gas pedal (instead of EVA foam) it is just like all the other Re:Flex bindings out there. That makes for a pretty smooth shock free ride.

Summary

All of us here at The Good Ride unanimously like the overall feel of traditional bindings from Burton and other companies better but it is the first time we found added response with quick release tech. It makes it more than just an easy way to get in and out of a binding and I think many will find it’s strengths outweigh it’s weaknesses.

 

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Burton Step On Binding 2018-2021 Review
Sep 13, 2021 by Ryan

Ability Level: Slightly Advanced • 

Riding Style: All Mountain Freestyle • 

Days You Ride A Year: 10-15 • 

Height, Weight And Boot Size (for Boards, Boots & Bindings): Size 9 

I early adopted the StepOn 3-4 years ago but couldn’t stand the photon Burton boot for more than 3-4 hrs a day, despite having them baked/insoles/etc., and I would switch back to regular bindings. This really ruined the StepOn experience for me.

This all changed when I bought the DC StepOn boots. Out of the box these boots were more comfortable then the Burton boots were after 3+ seasons with them. It was a revelation and while I prefer straps when riding with other boarders, having the StepOns made me the MVP when riding with all skier friends.

Since then I’ve been telling everyone and anyone I see on the mountain to try the DCs; and give knowing nods and Covid safe air fives to those that are already wearing them.

In regards to the binding system - get these for convenience if you typically ride with skiers or struggle to strap in. It’s extremely convenient. These are great for bombers, tree runs and carving up the mountain. These are a hard charging binding due to stiffness and locked in feel.

Don’t get these if you are a park rat, love to session natural features, or just live to butter. They won’t give you the flexibility you want.

If you do get these, get the DC boots to go with them - you won’t be disappointed… air five!

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Go With the Stiffer Boots (Photon or Ion)

Burton Step On Binding 2018-2021 Review
Apr 20, 2021 by K.B

Ability Level: Intermediately Intermediate • 

Riding Style: Not-So-Rad Dad, Powder Addict - Steeps when it's Deep, Groomers when it Isn't, and Avoid the Trauma Park at All Times • 

Days You Ride A Year: 10-20 • 

Height, Weight And Boot Size (for Boards, Boots & Bindings): 5'10" (177 cm); 195 lbs (88 kg); Boot Size US 10 (28.2cm mondo foot size) 

I thought I would share my experience after a season with these to give an idea of how they work for other intermediate weekend-warrior type riders who may only get in 15-20 days a season.

MY SPECS - I’m 41 years old, have only been riding for three seasons, and probably fall somewhere in the middle of that vague and boundless realm referred to as the “intermediate” level. I can ride some double-black terrain (when the snow is soft), but I still skid plenty of turns and occasionally look like a moron on rutted up cat tracks, too. I ride the Burton Step-On bindings on the Yes Hybrid 157 with US size 10 Burton Swath Boots.

EASE OF ENTRY – My overall take (from the standpoint of a crappy, middle-aged, intermediate rider) is exactly the opposite of James’s take away point – get these for the convenience (not necessarily for the responsiveness). To me the added convenience is worth it - I can save my energy for riding, instead of wasting breath bending my fat ass over to fiddle with straps. They aren’t ALWAYS easier to get into, though. They have a big advantage over straps when you are getting off lifts on the groomers; but they can be a little trickier in the steep side country when you need to get further out a traverse before locking-in. They are made to step in (obviously) while standing, so sitting down to get locked-in is difficult. Powder (especially sticky spring powder) will pile in under your boots making it difficult to get engaged. Again, this is only an issue on steep and deep spots. When I ride with (much) more experienced riders, I will be ready to go before they are 98% of the time when we are getting set-up in normal circumstances, but they will be waiting on me every time we get out onto a traverse ledge to strap in. It is worth noting that Step-Ons do seem to have a “break-in” period, and for the first week they will require more force to get the cleats engaged; so it’s a good idea to try them out at home to help soften them up.

RESPONSIVENESS – Just like James says, they are a very responsive binding, but it is a different kind of responsiveness that is difficult to fully articulate. As an intermediate rider, I do not think you would switch to these just to get that type of response (but more a more advanced rider might). To get the full benefit of that responsiveness, though, it is important to note that the design of the SO’s makes the boot much more important for responsiveness than it is with traditional bindings. James mentions at the end of his video that riders that are mostly interested in the convenience might want to go with the softest SO boot (the Ruler), and I don't really agree - although in his written review, he mentions the front part of the Rulers flex too much and he doesn't recommend them. I agree much more with what is stated in the written review. I have the Swath (the 2nd softest in the line), and I would NOT want to go any softer. In fact, if I had it to over again, I would go to the next step up in stiffness, the Photon. I have to tighten the BOA on the Swaths quite often to get the response I want, because the front of the boot just gives too much - and the boot plays such a different role in how these bindings ride (versus traditional). I ride the Yes Hybrid 157 (which is pretty wide), and with my size 10 boots, I need every bit of responsiveness I can get – so that may explain part of my take regarding the need for stiffer boots.

ADJUSTABILITY – The highback forward lean is adjustable with the use of a screwdriver – but it has to be a full-length traditional screwdriver, as a pocket tool will not reach the adjustment screw. Not to mention that the screwdriver shaft has to be thin enough to fit down into the hole to reach the screw, which has been an aggravation several times when I have tried to use the adjustment tables at the resort only to figure out the driver won't fit down in there. (I will also note that adjusting the forward lean past the midpoint makes these much more difficult to get clicked in fully - which is why I am occasionally trying to adjust these things at the resort, in case you were wondering what kind of weirdo adjusts their forward lean while they are out riding). My biggest complaint with Burton SO is the lack of any adjustability on the traditional mounting discs (i.e. if you’re not using the Burton Channel system). James discusses this in his review, and he is spot on with the lack of any real adjustment for tweaking stance width, or ability to center the boot over the board. My Yes Hybrid only has 5 row inserts, and is a wider reference stance than I prefer, so I can’t dial in my stance width exactly where I want it with these discs. Why Burton can spend years getting the engineering perfected on the locking mechanisms, but can't give you any adjustment out of a damn plastic disc is a hard one to figure out.

OVERALL – Everything has trade-offs, and to me the convenience of these bindings outweighs the downsides. Heck it’s nice just from the perspective of not having those straps flailing around and in the way when you aren’t strapped in. I think Burton has got the Step-On system right, and for the target audience it will be worth it.

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Love These Bindings!

Burton Step On Binding 2018-2021 Review
Mar 10, 2021 by andrew

Ability Level: Advanced • 

Riding Style: Free ride • 

Days You Ride A Year: 15-20 • 

Height, Weight And Boot Size (for Boards, Boots & Bindings): 5’9” 160lbs. 10.5 boots 

These are truly epic. I have them on a Jones Ultracraft 156 and the added response that the bindings give you work great with a board that’s a little wider like the hover/ultracraft. What is truly the best part is the ease to click in and out with the feeling like your in your normal boots. I have a bad back and I noticed a huge difference from not having to stop and strap in over and over. The ease of just clicking in really makes a difference and in my case probably ends up in a few extra laps for me throughout the day. They also work great in powder and are easy to get on and off which is contrary to what you’ll read online. I was a skeptic with everything I read online and now I that I own them they’re legit. Give them a try you’ll be surprised with how awesome these are.

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There is more adjustability

Burton Step On Binding 2018-2021 Review
Feb 04, 2021 by Jack

Ability Level: Upper intermediate • 

Riding Style: All mountain no park • 

Days You Ride A Year: 25+ • 

Height, Weight And Boot Size (for Boards, Boots & Bindings): 5'5", 210lbs, size 8 boots 

I love my Step Ons from 2020 with Photon boots. So responsive it definitely helped improve my riding ability and confidence staying on toe side edge.

The 2021 bindings in all of Burtons line have consolidated the disk to a single disk. In the review video it was mentioned this had less adjustability but this isn't quit the case. If you turn the disk 180° the extra holes are now on the other side and allows to help center bindings on board. Also some might not realize there is high back forward lean adjustment as well done with a screw driver from the inside of the highback. Two screws designed for forward lean adjustments.

Only part I struggle is I lack flexibility so reaching the release lever is difficult for me. But some creativity can help solve this until Burton outs in a real solution. Knocking one store for that otherwise 5 stars.

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Burton Step On Binding 2018-2021 Review
Jan 22, 2021 by Stephen Alexander

Ability Level: Senior • 

Riding Style: Carve • 

Days You Ride A Year: As many as possible • 

Height, Weight And Boot Size (for Boards, Boots & Bindings): 10.5/162 

I bought a pair of BURTON Hard boots in 2001 a buddy of Jakes at Sunny Breeze Sports set me up with the original set of step in race bindings. These sound and review the same except the original came with a cant plate a little ackward when walking but well worth it.Hard on the ankles without.

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Straps? You don't need no stinking straps!

Burton Step On Binding 2018-2021 Review
Oct 02, 2020 by Jay Jochec

Ability Level: Advanced/expert • 

Riding Style: All Mountain, Steep, Trees, Half pipe • 

Days You Ride A Year: 30+ • 

Height, Weight And Boot Size (for Boards, Boots & Bindings): 6'0" 195lbs, size 11, 161 wide Rossi One Mag LF 

Bought these last year after ripping the soles off my 2nd set of K2 clickers in a season and a half just out of warranty. I'll never go back! My riding confidence has gone way up which translates into my ability increasing as well with these. I can feel the board now. The edge to edge response is super quick.

The boots are comfortable once you get the tension right, I usually loosen them a bit after the 1st run (Photons). They do pack out about 1/2 a size over the season so if your toes are just barely touching new you should be good to go after 4-5 days of riding. I've ridden these in all conditions and have had zero issues with them. No hot spots, no trouble getting in and out of them in the powder. If you have too much fwd lean in them getting that 2nd click is hard to do. But really with the way the system is hooked up I haven't noticed any difference in having as much fwd lean as I could get in and still get the 2nd click and having zero fwd lean.

I really liked my K2 clickers for 1 big reason. And that is I could click in while riding the chair and just board right off. My wife who purchased the step ons a season before I did couldn't do this and so I was hesitant about not being able to do this. I have a knee injury that when my foot slips off the board getting off the chair and I do the splits basically will pull at it and make it hurt from just a little to really freaking bad. Well 1st run up the chair I figured it out. you get the inside toe cleat started, then rock your foot to the 2nd toe cleat, once you have those engaged you roll the board fwd and get one click in the back and you're good to go. Ride off the chair, Ollie it up and bam 2nd click and you're gone!

I've never had any fear about coming out of them. I don't use the leash. You'd have to bust the rear plastic out of the rear of the boot and I just don't see that happening. I rode them in the Super Pipe at Bachelor and didn't think twice about it.

I'm purchasing a Rossi XV 168w this year because of the reviews here and am going to run the new Step On X bindings on it which should suit the board and my riding style well.

These things are just too convenient and with the response as great as it is not to run. Burton has knocked it out of the park with these. Get some, you won't be dissapointed.

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Never Going Back to Straps

Burton Step On Binding 2018-2021 Review
Feb 29, 2020 by David R Glenn

Ability Level: Advanced • 

Riding Style: All mountain • 

Days You Ride A Year: 15 • 

Height, Weight And Boot Size (for Boards, Boots & Bindings): 6'3", 230, 11, Yes Greats Uninc 

I will never go back to bending over and strapping. First day on them I was charging the steeps with very little learning curve. Back edge very positive and tow edge 2-3 runs and I was back in my groove. I ride at Snowbird so I have had pow days with 16+ inches and was able to get in and out without much trouble. Practice pulling out of the toe at home on a dry surface to get the feel of exiting. Overall I love them and have a lot of jealous looks when Im off and running without wait time.

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Poor Manufacture Quality

Burton Step On Binding 2018-2021 Review
Feb 27, 2020 by Mike

Ability Level: Advanced • 

Riding Style: Freeride • 

Days You Ride A Year: 15-20 

The step in process works well on these bindings, while stepping out is more challenging. Not as easy as you may think. The main problem, however, has to do with the poor manufacture quality of these bindings. I've ridden Genesis for the past six seasons. Those bindings are solid, while the StepOns are not well made -- particularly the foam under your boot, which lifts each time you step out and allows snow underneath it. This makes it impossible to step back in without spending a few minutes cleaning off the snow and trying to push the foam down. Boarders around me with strap bindings laugh at these and can be off and riding much quicker than these Burton StepOns would ever allow. Not ready for prime time, that's for sure.

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Never miss again, no Bending at all

Burton Step On Binding 2018-2021 Review
Jan 25, 2020 by Attila

Ability Level: Advanced • 

Riding Style: Sloped, small jumps, Carving • 

Days You Ride A Year: 14-21 

Ich war sehr misstrauisch, weil ich zuerst in meinen Burton Step on Ion 2020 kleien Hotsports hatte. Nachdem ich den SNowboardschuh mit Shcuhspannen und Föhn ausgedehnt habe und jetzt uweimal im Winterurlaub war kann ich nur sagen:

Nie mehr was andere! Ich fahre zu 90 % Piste( was fast jeder macht, von wegen Backcountry :)) und bin viel mit Skifahrern unterwegs. Jeden SKitag freue ich mich 20 mal das ich so einklicken kann. Mittlerweile klappt es bereits in der AUslaufzone von Lift. LEdiglich wenn es sehr steil will das Board immer weg. In 98/100 fällen klappt es allerdingt auf Anhieb und dieses Comfort kann man nicht aufwiegen.

Zum Carven kriege ich prima Druck auf die Kante, vorher hatte ich die klassischen Burton Cartell. Finde das die Step Ons vom Fahren mindestens gleich gut, wenn nicht sogar mehr Druck auf die Frondside Kante bekommen.

Hatte mit meinen alten Snowboardschuhen immer die Schienbeine offen. Der Ion ist war viel härter und nicht ganz so chillig, aber bekomme den Schuh so fest, dass sichts bewegt und nicht aufschabt!! ENdlich !

Edit: Nach zwei Winterurlauben sind die Druckstellen komplett verschwundne und sie sind viel bequemer geworden (bischen augedehnt am Spann und am kleinen Zee) . Bin 100 % zufrieden.

Snowboarden bis ins Hohe Alter ;):) Die Blicke beim ANschnallen sind euch sicher , auch wenn es etwas Übung am ANfang BEdarf. Später geht es immer schneller.

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Convenience + response

Burton Step On Binding 2018-2021 Review
Jan 08, 2020 by Steve

Ability Level: Advanced • 

Riding Style: All mountain • 

Days You Ride A Year: 30 • 

Height, Weight And Boot Size (for Boards, Boots & Bindings): 5'5" 140 8.5 

I'm tempted to give it 5 stars, but with convenience comes compromise. The boot locks into the back of the binding, and while that's relatively low down, it restricts forward/aft motions on the board which can make some motions more difficult.

Having said that:

Super convenient to get into the bindings. Sometimes I can one-foot off the chair, flip up the highback, and step in with back foot without stopping. Other times, it's simply quick and easy to do that after stopping. Getting out requires a little more motion and practice; I've spazzed out a few times doing it. Also, sometimes I accidentally step back in before I wiggle out of the toe connections. Overall, it's still hugely convenient, especially when dealing with flats, and reduces stooping over to get in and out. When releasing, one must reach down for a lever, but it doesn't' require stooping as low as with conventional bindings and it's one quick motion and done. That also applies to riding right into the scries and releasing the back foot when conditions permit.

Overall stability of the ride is significantly improved for some reason.

Heel side response and edging: significantly improved.
Toe side: was degraded at first and I wasn't liking it. That improved over time and I almost don't notice a difference at this point.

I'm mostly a freerider, not sure how ideal this would be for park rats and all-mountain free-stylers. Having said that, if the convenience and response are important enough, and the rider chooses boots that fit properly, it probably won't matter, especially as the boots wear in a bit.

I'm using Ion Step On boots. They're amazing! But, keep in mind that the fit and feel are significantly different than standard Ions, which I tried and returned before moving over to the Step On system).

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The Burton Cartel EST is the binding made specifically for Burton boards.  We hate this and love this binding. The flex underfoot has almost no dead spot and it has a very smooth predictable response to it that many love. The bad is the binding only works for Burton and this proprietary tech reduces your board options to Burton or whoever else licenses the tech from Burton which is only a few companies.  

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Days: 1
Riders: James (Size 9, 5’10” 185-195lbs), Peter (Size 8, 5’11” 185lbs)
Boots: Adidas Tactical ADV,
Insoles: Sandsole Custom Insoles, Footprint Insole Technology Gamechangers
Boards: Burton Hometown Hero

Highback Flex: The Cartel and Cartel Re:Flex offer up a very good flex

Binding Adjustability: The Burton Cartel EST has decent strap adjustability for getting the binding to fit around the boot. However, there isn’t as much as some companies to center the boot in the binding to get it to match up properly on the Gas Pedal/Toe Ramp. Still, you can center the binding well on the board with the EST channels on either side of the binding.

Stance Width Adjustability: Infinite Stance width adjustability with the Channel System and this is the best out there for that. At the time this is written though we only know of Burton, Endeavor and some Signal boards that use this Channel tech.

Comfort: The ankle strap and all-around binding build from the heel cup to toe ramp are all about comfort for us. It’s very well done.

Boot Support: The Ankle strap on the Burton Cartel EST offers up great support and still has some freedom of movement too. We like the support you can get from the Cartel Re:Flex better because you have two holes to mount your ankle strap. If you choose the higher point you get more support. There is only one with the Cartel EST.

Turn Initiation: Very smooth but pretty responsive. We don’t feel like Burton Cartel EST bindings, in general, are not the most responsive out there but that’s not really a bad thing. These offer up a predictably smooth response that never really makes a board feel twitch but it’s not super slow either to make you feel like you need more edge to edge.

Buttering: The Burton Cartel EST tech really makes the board flex naturally underfoot and this is far from being a gimmick. The Burton Re:Flex Cartel is close but not quite there. While we aren’t fans of this proprietary tech we have to admit that it does make a lot of sense in getting a board to flex well underfoot. With softer to mid/flexing boards you can really feel the difference if you do an A/B test with a traditional disc binding, a Re:Flex binding and an EST. You will find that with most companies the Re:Flex and EST really make the board flex easier. So, in other words, this kills it when buttering if you pair it up with a butter friendly board.

Ratchet System: Normally Burton’s ratchet system is really smooth and trouble-free. However, we were having issues with this demo model and it didn’t crank down well or hold as it should. They were a bit worn and looked beaten on. That kind of abuse can happen when they travel in a bin with other bindings around the country from demo to demo.

Shock Absorption: We like the shock absorption better with the Re:Flex but this was pretty good. That being said we were on Adidas Tactical ADV’s which have the most shock absorption out there that we have tried so it might not feel as cush underfoot if you have boots with less shock absorption like Burton EST Outsoles.

So all in all, we say get the Re:Flex as they aren’t that much behind the EST’s and you can ride them with anything. However, if you are a Burton for life kind of rider, then these are a better choice.  I’ve just had soo many readers buy a Burton board and bindings and then want to get another board in their quiver or replace their old board for whatever reason and then have to buy new bindings too so don’t buy EST unless you know you are never going back.

The 2016 Burton Cartel EST is the same general ride as the 2015 but it has the higher end straps/ratchets that are on the Diodes, Genesis and Malavita.

Days: 30+
Riders: Almost all of us
Boards: These are for Burton boards Only.
Conditions- Most conditions an average rider would want to experience
Boots: Salomon, Burton, Nike and a few others

Flex– This is the same flex as all the other cartels offering a smooth middle ground feel that most love. It’s the kind of flex that blends into just about any kind of riding.

Adjustability: EST bindings from Burton offer superior adjustability compared to the other non-est bindings.  It’s a little different but after a little time, you get to see how easy these are to set up on the board and how versatile they are adapting to your boot.

Comfort: Very very comfortable.  These bindings offer a nice balance between comfort and support.

Heel-Toe Response: EST is just a little bit more responsive edge to edge than the Cartel Re:Flex because you have 4 screws instead of 8 attached to the board.

Tip-Tail Response– Now the EST tech here does have an advantage flexing any Burton Board lengthwise over the Re:Flex Cartel. It’s very easy to butter and press almost any board in Burton’s line except for the very stiff ones.  It really changes the feel underfoot and the dead spot is almost non-existent.  If you go from a non-Burton binding to an EST binding the Burton board comes alive. Some higher end Re:Flex bindings like the Cartel Limited can come close but EST is still the 11 out of 10.  It’s a damn shame they aren’t compatible on other boards. With the 2014 Burton Cartel, you lose a little flex underfoot but you get a lot of extra ollie power due to the Hinge Technology. This is a very nice upgrade and we now feel this is the only year to get unless you don’t ollie ever.

Ratchet System: All Burton Cartel ratchets are the same (I think).  They might be different but all offer amazingly smooth glide on and off.

Boot Support: Very good almost locked in feel.  The footbed is a little soft so it doesn’t allow a completely locked in feel. It’s worth it to get the kind of shock absorption you get with this kind of binding.

Shock Absorption– The thicker EST footbed has amazing shock absorption and the Cartel EST comes with this.  It’s also canted.  You can go pretty thin (5mm) to get a skate feel that has less cushioning. The footbed you get with the Cartel EST really makes a big difference just riding over a rough bit of snow and even more so on a bad landing. The 5mm thick option is rougher but you get more board feel.

So all in all the Cartel EST is a great binding and if you can’t find the Limited Cartel EST with Hinge Tech this will do a very good job handling a wide variety of Burton boards.

 

The 2015 Burton Cartel EST is the same as the 2014 except for the ankle strap.  It folds out really easy so you can get your boot in quicker and it’s got a thin ankle strap that we really like about it.  Otherwise it’s the same binding as last year in terms of ride and response.

The 2014 Burton Cartel EST has the same high back and ankle strap as the Cartel Re:Flex but this year it has the Hinge Technology that the higher end Burton bindings like the Burton Genesis EST. This really changes up the EST ride by giving you much more ollie power.  It makes the 2014 Cartel EST the much better choice over past models.

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Burton channel system & EST bindings advice

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Hi all (newbie here!)

So I'm looking into buying my second snowboard and I'm considering a burton with the channel system and the EST bindings, just wanted people's opinions on this system please as I've not used it before.

I have been riding since 2008 with week long holidays once a year but I've also done a season in Tignes (2015/16) and heading out there again in a couple of weeks. My current board is a Salomon spark with union bindings.

Thanks in advance
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used it on an board about 5-6 seasons ago and didn't like it, I thought at the time it would be good for quick adjustments but in reality it didn't work so well.

why do you want est? why not just buy another board that you can use your existing bindings on?
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My current bindings are broke Sad and I feel need a better board after gaining more skill/confidence whilst doing my last season.
The bindings I like come either in EST or the normal set up so the board doesn't have to be the channel system....
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oh ok. I found them to work just as well as normal bindings, I was thinking that i'd be able to quickly set the board back while on the hill but in reality it didn't work as it just clogged up with snow and ice.

i'm not the biggest burton fan (putting it mildly!) either so I wouldn't buy it again.

that being said though, if the bindings you want are est, then burton will always have a suitable board to match the bindings and your riding preference so go for it Smile

i'd probably just buy the standard ones and look at other makes of boards though Smile
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 Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.

Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.

Thank you, appreciate your honest response.

If you don't mind me asking what is it about Burton boards that you don't like? As I said this is only my second board so I don't have much to compare with!
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i'm full of hate and cynicism so don't listen to me lol. There boards are good, there's a reason (other than endless marketing) that so many people ride them.

I just take issues with some of there business decisions like the way they canned the old fourstar companies, knowbuddy etc. They do a LOT of good things for snowboarding, I just see them as the corporate giant that cuts and slices to the will of the board.
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That's fair enough and again thank you Smile
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Both of my boards are Burton EST boards. I would be very reluctant to buy a fixed binding board and if I did, it would be something specialist like a split board.

I find EST adjustment to be simple and easy. If I'm out on the Vapor, it takes seconds to set back 75mm. If you find a flat area, you don't even need to unclip to do it. Best of all, some days, you just feel like having your feet slightly different to the last time you rode. Really steep pistes or jibbing and larking around? Set forward 10-20mm and the board will turn with thought alone. Soft spring snow or powder? Set back a little or a lot and float everywhere.

Apart from that, the wide mounting of EST bindings makes them very stiffly connected and makes your foot sit very close to the board surface. This gives much better edge control when carving. I'm still using my (much loved) CO2 bindings. I keep thinking of getting some new ones, but they are still faultless, after 6 years (20+ weeks) of use and mega stiff.

As for hating Burton, if Burton hadn't made the snowboard patents 'open source', there would probably be no snowboarding. They've done a lot for the industry and I find they are only hated by people who are too young to have been around when snowboarding started. People think because they are big, they must be a corporate giant and therefore deserve to be hated. There are plenty of small companies that have made some really rubbish boards and bindings, with no customer support when the products have failed. Strangely, these small companies are still revered by many who don't know better and only see the marketing image. It's a strange world.
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I would avoid the Channel. Only 2 screws holding the binding in place it is easy for them to come a little loose and the binding to move. 4x4 gives a more secure fix.
If you are going to buy Burton bindings (and I would) buy the Reflex rather than the EST. You can put the Reflex on a Channel board as well as regular 4x4 so you are keeping your options open. If you buy EST you are stuck with a Burton Channel board.
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snowrider wrote:
I would avoid the Channel. Only 2 screws holding the binding in place it is easy for them to come a little loose and the binding to move. 4x4 gives a more secure fix.
If you are going to buy Burton bindings (and I would) buy the Reflex rather than the EST. You can put the Reflex on a Channel board as well as regular 4x4 so you are keeping your options open. If you buy EST you are stuck with a Burton Channel board.



The bolt thing is just another myth punted out by kids in shops. The EST bolts are bigger diameter than the standard bolts (for fixed position/threaded inserts). They take a much higher torque and simply don't come loose or slide around. No one ever ripped a channel out of a board, but plenty of people have ripped out inserts, or cross threaded them.

You can buy adaptors for EST bindings and non channel boards, but I wouldn't use them, just as I wouldn't use adaptors for non EST bindings on an EST board.

Following that statement above, you could just as easily say if you buy non EST bindings, you are stuck with non Channel boards. Very Happy
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bar shaker wrote:
They've done a lot for the industry and I find they are only hated by people who are too young to have been around when snowboarding started.


not really, i'm old enough to remember back to when he tried to get half pipe banned from competition.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.

I've never heard of that before, when was that?

An amazing irony considering that Shaun White (the Half Pipe God) was a Burton rider.
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The bolt thing is not a myth. I work as a snowboard instructor in the winter and have had several clients and friends whose bindings keep moving from the initially set position, sometimes despite repeated efforts to re-tighten.

If you buy Reflex bindings you get both 4x4 and Channel discs in the box. The Channel discs are not adaptors you have to pay extra for.
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 You know it makes sense.

You know it makes sense.

I ride quite a lot of Burton powder boards. I don't have a problem with EST - I ride with hard boots so I can guarantee that I crank those boards harder than you do, and they've been rock solid season after season.

My race bindings are of course stiff, so arguably I don't get the flex benefits jibbers may find, although I'm sceptical of that.

I've never had one of these shift around on me nor have I seen anyone having issues with them.

I don't find these much different from standard bindings to muck about with. There's no real advantage.

Technically then it's no issue.

"Hating Burton" isn't really for snowboarders: Jake's a boarder, he was there early, he's popular, and he's well known in the business. Burton's professional support and warranties remain the best in the business. I have ridden with some of the people whose companies Jake took over, and they all did very well out of it, thank you. It's business.
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bar shaker wrote:
You can buy adaptors for EST bindings and non channel boards, but I wouldn't use them, just as I wouldn't use adaptors for non EST bindings on an EST board.


No, no you can't. You can buy adapter discs for non-Burton bindings to use them on Burton's channel boards though.
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I've ridden EST for a couple of years (20 odd years of riding) and found them great. Super easy and quick to set up. Rock solid and no problems with coming loose......despite only two screws.
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when he tried to get half pipe banned from competition.

That's a bit disingenuous - The story goes that during the early 80's rivalry between Jake Burton and Tom Sims, when events were organised by the local teams and when the direction of snowboarding was still very much open to interpretation - Burton wanted it to be more race orientated, Sims more like skateboarding. Sims home hill at Tahoe had, by accident more than design, created the worlds first half-pipe when some bulldozers were moving snow around. Sims and his team riders began sessioning the feature and Sims had the idea to include the feature in the national competition. Come the competition, Burton and his team riders pitch up on the west coast, and are confronted with this half-pipe which they'd never seen or ridden on before, and were expected to ride as part of the competitive event. Burton protested, saying it wasn't fair on his riders and it should be excluded, and that's where the "Burton tried to BAN halfpipes" story came from.

It all worked out in the end, Burton moved away from his pure race ideals and within a couple of years of Burton and Graves starting the US Open series, halfpipe was a standard event, and Burton was luring riders like Craig Kelly from Sims freestyle team into his own (which is where a LOT of the animosity between Burton and the rest of the industry stems from, and the meme that Burton poaches all the talent from other teams and Borgs it into itself, and that riders are disposable assets)
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Thanks all for your input.

I'm picking up the new board and bindings tomorrow. I have gone for the Burton deja vu with lexa bindings; channel system and EST bindings Smile
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Should I Get Re:Flex or EST Burton Bindings

Re Flex or EST burton bindingsIf you’re looking at getting Burton bindings and aren’t sure about which type you should get – EST or Re:Flex, or are confused about the difference, then hopefully this post can clear up that decision for you.

This post is just going to be a quick look at which type you should choose, depending on the snowboard that you have or if you don’t already have a snowboard.

First let’s take a look at the difference between Burton’s Re:Flex and EST bindings, and then we’ll take a look at the different snowboard insert patterns to clear that up too.

Burton Re:Flex vs Burton EST

Burton have two different types of bindings (well 3 if you include their Step Ons but we’re only going to cover EST and Re:Flex here).

Their EST bindings are designed to only fit snowboards that use the “Channel” system, like Burton’s snowboards. EST bindings can’t be mounted on snowboards that don’t use the channel system.

Their Re:Flex bindings can mount on any snowboard with a 2 x 4 or 4 x 4 mounting system as well as the channel system. So, you can mount Re:flex bindings on virtually any snowboard out there, including Burton boards with the channel system.

Which Type of Burton Bindings Should I Get?

So, if you have a board that doesn’t have a channel system, then you will have to get Re:Flex.

You will also need Re:Flex (assuming you’re going with Burton bindings) if you want one pair of bindings to mount to both a Burton board and a non-Burton board.

If you only have a Burton board and don’t see yourself getting a non-Burton board in the near future, then EST bindings become an option. But you could still get Re:Flex if you wanted to. Typically EST bindings have slightly better board feel (though the board feel on Re:Flex bindings is really good to) and Re:Flex bindings have more shock absorbing qualities.

Stance Width Options

Re:Flex bindings on non-channel system boards offer less stance width adjustability than most other bindings. This is because with other bindings’ discs you usually have the option to run the disc holes vertically or horizontally.

If you run them horizontally, then it gives you more stance width options (though less adjustability in terms of getting your boots centered in terms of toe and heel overhang). Re:Flex discs can only be run vertically, so you can only adjust by 2cm increments per binding (on a 2 x 4 board – and only in 4cm increments on a 4 x 4).

So, if you have a 2 x 4 or 4 x 4 board, and you want to be able to have micro-stance width adjustments, you might want to consider another brand.

The Different Mounting Patterns

Snowboards have 3 main mounting patterns these days. If you have an older Burton board, you might have a 3D pattern, but otherwise your board will likely fall under one of these 3.

And even 4 x 4 aren’t that common anymore, particularly not outside of cheaper boards.

2 x 4 Mounting Pattern

This is the most common mounting pattern going around and is characterized by screw holes that are 4cm apart vertically and 2cm apart horizontally.

2 x 4 binding mounting system

4 x 4 Mounting Pattern

The 4 x 4 mounting pattern has holes that are 4cm apart vertically and 4cm apart horizontally. This means less micro-adjustable in terms of stance width options. Also bindings with a mini-disc won’t be able to mount to boards with the 4 x 4 pattern.

4 x 4 binding mounting system

Channel

The Channel system uses inserts that slide along a track, which the bindings attach too. This system allows almost limitless stance width options.

channel binding mounting system

Summary

Choosing Re:Flex or EST bindings essentially comes down to the board you have or are thinking of getting.

  1. If you have a board with Channel System, then you can use either Re:Flex and EST. The choice comes down to whether you want more shock absorption or better board feel. You might also take into account whether or not you are likely to buy a non-burton board in the future (and still use the same bindings on it), in which case you might want to go Re:Flex
  2. If you have a board with a 2 x 4 or 4 x 4 mounting system, that you want to mount your Burton bindings to, then you’ll need to go Re:Flex

I hope this has helped with your decision and cleared up the difference between Burton EST and Burton Re:Flex bindings.

Related:How to Install Burton Reflex Bindings on 2 x 4 Board

Related:How to Install Burton Reflex Bindings on a Channel Board


 

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System review channel burton

Burton Channel System

What Is the Burton Channel?

The Burton Channel is a mounting system that contains two channels in the board (one for each foot) that run parallel to the edges. Traditional boards have binding inserts where the channel is located. The Channel allows nearly infinite and customizable stand-width and angle adjustments. With the rider’s feet closer to the board and less inserts in the board, the board will fully and naturally flex as it was intended. Traditional mounting systems do now allow the board to flex beneath the rider’s feet, creating a “dead spot.”

Check out the clip below to get a visual of how The Channel works. While disc bindings from some other brands are compatible with The Channel, the natural board flex will best be felt with Burton EST or Reflex bindings. Such bindings have an EVA foam pad beneath the foot as opposed to plastic, which will enable the natural flex of the board beneath the rider’s feet. The Burton Channel System is a pretty sweet technology. Check it out!

The Burton Channel System focuses power through a central connection that acts as a backbone for the board’s internal tech. It also lets you easily micro-adjust your stance-width and angles with EST, Reflex or Disc bindings. The Channel is compatible with bindings by Forum, Drake, Union, Flow, Flux, Ride and K2.

This has been a part of the Burton Technology articles.

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